I used to quite like Dr Peterson, when he first got onto the scene. The pull yourself up by the bootstrap and find your own meaning in the limitations of this world resonated quite well and dovetailed with my own life and expirences through my mid-20's unto maturity. Those uni lecture on YouTube had some good ideas and I enjoyed his way of communicating.
I liked that he did battle with the screeching hordes of retarded leftiods at the time.
Standing up to resist the idea of compelled speech and group think conformity I think was quite watershed at the time and I'll forever appreciate him for that
Alas the description of his mind melting to mush over the years rings true now. Sucks to see him takin in and used by gods chosen to lead Christians into whatever nafarious designs they be cooking up.
I guess it might be hard to wander balls deep into the culture wars and remain unscathed, mental/spiritually
If you step back from him and see him in the context of Gad Saad, Sam Harris, Douglas Murray, Dennis Prager, Konstantin Kisin, Yuval Harari, you can see he is a product on a shelf.
You can only buy what is on sale. He is part of the culture industry - a commodity in a commercial operation which produces food for thought of a similar grade to the food like products in the supermarkets.
Peterson’s niche is Approved Maverick if you like. The fact he and people like him seem interesting is an indictment of the sterility of our counterfeit culture, which is intentionally pasteurised for the health and safety of the management.
That's well put, Frank. I was at first taken in by Saad, Harris, and Murray, and a little by Prager, of those you mention. The lot of them are now quite obviously a pack of fiends, and gee whiz, what might be a common denominator amongst them?
When your life has been destroyed for your inexplicable and shocking disparagement of the jewish people you will have time to consider that the political system we inhabit was expressly designed to replace the former european civilisation with a form of elite management secured by the dominance of the mass media.
All culture has been mobilised in this effort for at least 70 years. The fact that culturally prominent figures are in fact products of this system is therefore unsurprising, but here we are.
I am very much in favour of reinvigorating in some way that “former european civilization” and in whatever small way I can, as those are the giant’s shoulders upon which we could more properly stand.
Well I agree with you. The idea is not mine that the world wars swept it away - that was Wyndham Lewis about WW1, in which he served.
I am still writing a book about the counterfeit culture created after that. IN brief, liberal democracy was created as a machinery of elite rule by media following the Great War. Kennan's 1948 paper on "organised political warfare" is the blueprint for the mobilisation of all cultural production in defence and support of this ideology. You have probably heard of Jackson Pollock being a CIA op. Well Kennan included journalism, academia, novels, films, art and public figures too. Fancy that.
This is the system which has produced our "geniuses" and "public intellectuals" for 70 years.
Is it difficult to deny? People listen to him, but has his work been applied?
By contrast, Dr Timothy Leary's "Interpersonal diagnosis of personality" was his Harvard thesis (iirc) and became a basis for psychometric testing.
He claimed that he was given a test when he was admitted into prison based on his own work, and answered it in such a way as to be categorised as low risk. As a result, he escaped easily. So he said anyway.
He was an earlier example of the psychology-rascal guru of course. So was Ronnie Laing, who led his own revolution. And Mr Jung before them.
That I don't know of any practical application of his methods doesn't mean there aren't any, nor that there won't be - of course. He is certainly influential. That's all it takes sometimes.
It’s sad that what we put “on sale” is what people are searching for. JBP tapped into that inner dimension of what people are searching for and he put it on sale.
Peterson has risen because of the general spiritual degradation of the West, which has created a vacuum for men like him to appear without the old immune system of our ancestors picking him up.
Having no education in psychology except the examination of myself I appreciate your views. They make more sense than those espoused byxsaid Peterson...or Shapiro...and help me understand a little more about what might be going on in their heads! Thank you (tho I will continue to educate myself on myself without the need for agreement from any "professionals" Lol. Xx
JBP: Lectures about Hitler's obsession with cleanliness, purity and eradicating disease and how these things can be used to justify fascism and genocide.
Also JBP: Urges everyone to wear a mask and "get the damn vaccine".
If he took the shot, maybe it is affecting his brain function. I see deficits in friends and family members since having them. From observation, they generally undermine health
Yes the clip of him promoting it is in the video. It comes after the Joe Rogan except which is provided for context. I’ve made it as comical / entertaining as I can, although I try to avoid mockery for mockery’s sake (that’s just demoralisation).
At the end of the video is a monologue by Michael Tsarion from at least a decade ago (before JBP came onto the scene). I’ve always thought of Tsarion as ‘the thinking person’s Jordan Peterson’.
I have not heard of Tsarion either. Thank you again.
Napoleon said Gillray's mockery of him "did more damage than a dozen British generals", according to Alice Loxton's "Uproar! Satire, Scandal and Printmakers in Georgian London".
Excellent compilation in your link. I knew that I had seen Peterson say that about taking the shot, but have been unable to go back and find it. It’s like it got wiped off the internet. I’ll be following you now, as well.
I don’t believe he ever intended to lead anyone ‘toward Christ’ to begin with. For many, however, he has given them a route toward the less defined metaphysical.
As a researcher in MKUltra, mind control and similar topics, I would just like to point out that voices in the head need not point to "demonic possession" per se. Individuals like Peterson are very likely victims of MKUltra-style mental programming; it would not surprise me in the least (indeed, I find his past mental episodes as indicative) that he is DID (dissociative; ie multipersonality). And one thing I do know about such people is they often have preprogrammed "God", "Holy Spirit" or other similar parts of their mind fully able to function as "the voice in their head". So the voices are real, but they are only tortured components of his own mind, splintered off, sequestered, and capable of receiving instruction from programmers (e.g. satanic priests, psychologists, family member handlers etc). Peterson isnt in control of his own life or thoughts; his handler(s) are, whoever they may be.
Now this does not de facto rule out "demonic possession", but the state of MKUltra-style mind control that exists nowadays should be first suspicion of bizarre behaviour, in my view, with spiritual causes second on the list for investigation. Just my humble thoughts from the expansive information I have on the subject.
Very on point. He would also appear to be a pathological narcissist. He must always show himself to have a unique understanding of things to show how special he is. His tortured and incomprehensible explanations of Christian concepts are one example of this. And then he goes and wears a Great Schema jacket….
Vox Day was on to this and described it all in his 2018 book on Peterson: “Jordanetics: A Journey into the Mind of Humanity’s Greatest Thinker”. That anyone takes Peterson seriously after that absolutely fatal take-down is a testament to human gullibility.
This is pretty good stuff. I have several friends that are Jordan Peterson fans, and we have argued about him quite a bit. I listened to a short talk early on when his brand was being established and I was repulsed by it. I gave it another go after he joined Daily Wire, since I think highly of my friends and considered that my initial judgement was possibly rash. I found the second go around to be even worse, and I haven't listened to or read anything he has put out since.
Going against Peterson riles people up in my circle, and it looks like you are getting much of the same pushback here in the comments section. It's pretty wild that people jump on the Peterson bandwagon because he has "so much good stuff to say", considering that the stuff that seems to really resonate with people are the messages of personal responsibility and some pushback against certain aspects of DEI. This is all pretty common stuff that can be heard from many different people without the Jungian baggage.
My dad was devastated when he found out Freddy Mercury was a poof. It’s hard to accept the obvious about your heroes. There’s not much going on with dr Pills beside the rent - if you ignore his intentional subversion of Christianity
Zionism is pretty powerful stuff. I grew up Evangelical and even spent a year and a half at a Bible college to become a pastor (I dropped out and ended up becoming Catholic around 12 years later). It was still a couple of years before I dropped the "Israel can do no wrong" mindset.
I am going to interview Brother Andre Marie on his explanation of Zionism, which you can see in this excellent video. Zionism is a heresy, rooted in the religious sense in the doctrine of salvation embodied in the person of the Zionist himself - and not in Christ.
I have written about Zionism for well over a year and I found Brother Andre's explanation exceeded my own understanding significantly.
Oh you're welcome. Its a dishonest term used intentionally, and its service extends beyond being a helpmeet to Zionism. The overall goal is a Christianity absent Christ, the "common faith" of John Dewey, a convenience food for the masses under elite management.
Peterson's family (as well as Candace Owens and Russell Brand to name but a few) have all recently and very publicly converted to Catholicism. I wonder what role we can expect religion to play as the agenda unfolds?
I don't think Russell Brand has converted, though he is now a Christian (we have all unfortunately seen his tighty whiteys in that river). Candace is a Catholic, and this led to a parting of the ways with the Daily Wire. I don't know about Peterson's family beyond the conversion to Catholicism of his wife. He is one of these "cultural Christians", like Dawkins and Matthew Arnold, and has said he thinks God a fiction and Christ a sort of archetypal myth.
I meant converted in the sense of stating it, not necessarily believing in it. As well as his wife, Peterson’s daughter has also discussed her conversion on her podcast. It's also noteworthy that they've all chosen Catholicism.
The "cultural" Christians haven't changed their public stance, almost simultaneously like the others have.
I'm curious about why these high profile and likely "controlled" people are converting so publicly. About how religion might be used in future against genuine believers. I think this is something to watch out for, especially considering how world events are being manipulated to look like end times prophecy fulfilled.
It’s all part of the subversion and replacement of Christianity by the pagan/occult/Evangelical/New Age that’s been going on for time immemorial. There’s an excellent channel on YouTube called Magical Mystery Church that is investigating and exposing it from many angles. https://youtube.com/@magicalmysterychurch3424?si=YTM80q1JgmtMs_-N
Ok.. Jorden has gone a bit off the freeway in recent times and I suspect too much fame has a lot to do with it..….. but his earlier work was great, as he was part of the push back on woke and post modernism and the whole DEI mess.
This site is aways a bit perverse and hard to read and you always hope the writer will get back on his medication soon.
Hi Nigel, forgive me if this sounds like correction. I was taken in by JP years ago under a similar misapprehension.
JP's "earlier work" was astroturf publicity, produced for our consumption by the Creative Artists Agency.
He was then and is now a charlatan, and his fake "pushback" was based on simply stating the obvious. There was nothing new or insightful about it, he was only playing the part of the Rebel Professor for the cameras.
Nigel - He is the fake that smothers the real. He is an inorganic production of the powers that be.
He never pushed back on anything: that was all a show to bedazzle us with words.
And what did he ever say that was brilliant? Please send me an example.
He is also a poor communicator, physically unattractive / unimpressive, he even has a bad speaking voice.
That is not the kind of person that leaps from obscurity to global fame in a couple of years because they said something blindingly obvious about Transformers.
Meanwhile, real push back, that will name the things that JP is employed to distract us from, is smothered and coopted.
When JP is asked about those subjects, you see who his master is, very plain. Surprise, suckers! It's the same guys who make the drugs that turn people into Transformers, and do all the other stuff he is fake against.
This is how power has worked for a long time.
When the peasants get too annoyed, they tend to organise and get troublesome.
The best way to deal with this problem is for the powers that be to get their agent in front of the revolution, and lead it down the garden path.
Wow that’s as lazy an argument as your screed is unfair. It’s clear that you don’t like him because he’s has sympathy for Jews and isn’t an orthodox Christian.
His good friend Mr Netanyahu is not a nice person and I do not think it respectable to express sympathy towards him. Most of the piece is about Jungianism, which is clearly the inspiration for a book which relies on archetypes and “synchronicity” for its tortured explanation of the Bible. I don’t like him because he is leading people away from a Christ he considers to be a myth, and he is not only clearly deranged, but an obvious product of the mobilisation of cultural production in service of the ruling ideology.
He’s a man on his own path. It’s just as deranged imo to posit that some cultural force (it’s hard to tell what you’re referring to that tracks with anything that exists in the real world) produced him. You’re reifying the abstract - just what you’re accusing him of doing. Maybe he’s wrong idk but I for one am not afraid of an excursions into occult matters. Having been raised catholic it strikes me as familiar to encounter fear of unorthodox thinking.
He is a guru. Like all the others, he is a bit of a rascal. He is charismatic, and is issuing retreads of the greatest hits of other gurus before him. This is what they all do.
We do not need his kind at all, Mr Southway, as he is a charlatan and a servant of the enemies of Christ. He is what this system serves you as a "public intellectual", producing what the kids nowadays refer to as "goyslop". Have you read John Gray? His books are short and important.
I suggest you let others judge what they want ..... Why don’t you be specific about what you dislike about the concepts he talked about in his earlier work and I will see if I agree... You are judging the person and I hate that.
I have explained where his ideas come from, and who sponsors him, and who his friends are, and what they are doing too. Most of the piece is about psychoanalysis. As for judgement, if all there is to eat is gruel most will prefer it to starvation.
You mean the self help books? A reasonable starter and well marketed product. Peterson seemed a breath of fresh air in a stale atmosphere - and yes his Cathy Newman interview is an urban legend. I am not concerned with his first and second albums. This is a review of his new direction.
I agree. This is a personal attack riddled with fear. It’s kinda hard to believe that JP, so obviously sui generis is a product of anything but his own mind. Maybe he’s a bit out there but as you note the author doesn’t accord him the courtesy of dealing with any of his ideas.
I don't think he has any ideas. I think he is a midwit presented as a sage at best, and is obviously not the full shilling. He does not deserve to be taken seriously, except in his efforts to guide western civilisation towards an end which clearly does not lead to Christ. This is remarkably similar to the ends long determined by the architects of liberal-global "democracy". A religion absent God, a Christianity absent Christ. I think this is his only idea worthy of serious consideration.
Narcissists have no message, only products they can push to generate narcissistic supply, they just say stuff for effect, and like analog clocks are correct twice a day. But this does not mean they work.
He sold out to Israel, Frank, as did Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, Glen Beck, Tim Pool, and any other big alt media personality. All of these guys are millionaires who are riding the coattails of Patriotism to hide behind the fact anything they say is like a politician at a nudist convention in the real ugliness is inside of them portrayed on the outside.
Yes the job of the controlled opposition alt media shekel shilling traitors is to provide cover for the fact it’s the Jews who is behind the NWO agenda. Take Alex “neverjew” Jones as a prime example. He, like others, will tell you it’s China, Russia, or similar when any critically thinking person knows that’s not the case. Jane Ruby (real name is Rubinstein) is another. She banned me from her telegram for mentioning that Israel was behind 9/11 and they are one of the 3 listed on the DoD contract for the CONvid bioweapon called a vaccine. Yes she will tell you to avoid it but she will never tell you who is behind it like the gatekeepers she and many others are in the alt media. If you can’t discuss the Jewish aspects to this agenda then I flat out don’t trust you and it seems to be a key sign of a shill.
I've seen some Gen z kids do hilarious imitations of Kermit Peterson with his wiggly fingers and copious tears. I don't think he is meant to be taken seriously at all.
Someone made an AI Peterson which would generate petersonisms but Peterson shut it down. Then he made his own Robokermit. Trufax, some people think it wrote his new book.
It's almost ENTIERLY hyperbole, uses memes as evidence and resorts to name calling of a kind I've not encountered outside of twitter or lunatics carrying hand made signs to prove Jesus owes them $5.
I'm not a huge fan of Peterson and thought I might enjoy a little low-character gossip, but THIS was disgraceful drivel at best.
As always, interesting, well-written, humour where appropriate, and laser-sharp. I admit that I was a Jordan Peterson fan from the get-go. I used to listen to his lectures on "Maps of Meaning" for about a year prior to his becoming famous. In the intervening years I have seen his erratic decline and, most especially, the past few since joining the ZioWire.
To be even more honest, it was mostly JP who got me started on what's often called a spiritual journey, one which I had never previously embarked upon, and I suppose I must thank him for that. After all, I used to be a life-long atheist and now I'm not. The high point, in a weird way, was when he had his first "debate" with that retard, Sam Harris. They couldn't even get started after a full hour of Harris refusing to concede even a single premise. Hence revealing for all Harris's stupidation (I read most of his fucking books, too. Sheesh.) I mean, if you are going to argue, say, that gravity is not a real "force" or something like that, you would at least have to concede, "what goes up must come down"? Nope, not our boy, Sam. No way.
Anyway, my further point in this comment (forgive me for its length) is also that, although I'm fairly far along in that "spiritual journey" -- and just so you know, it ain't at all like JP's -- I am very much enjoying reading and learning from you in this and other regards, Frank.
Also there are lots of great commenters to read herein, so that's a bonus, too.
So you're saying that I don't have to make my bed each morning or tidy up my room? Who do I see to get those wasted hours back?
Have you ever looked in to MK Ultra reprogramming, Mr. Wright? Is there anything to it? Peterson, famously, had a breakdown a few years earlier and has come back as a Netanyahu-befriending cheerleader for Our Greatest Ally's current genocidal actions. I am admittedly not a follower of Peterson, but his vocal support of Israel was absent from his early pronouncements, I believe.
Yes he got melted but note that his manager Mr Cohen has been there from the beginning of his transition from lecturer to public personality. MKULTRA is documented, real and uncle Ted got the treatment if I remember correctly. I don't think he has been Sirhan Sirhaned. His mind broke under the spotlight and he has been managed into promoting "judeochristianity" ever since. He's done well out of it, wouldn't you say?
"I think it is irresponsible to refuse to challenge Peterson out of pity for his obvious insanity, as millions of people have mistaken him for a sage. He is mentally and spiritually ill."
To me, it seems fairly obvious what happened to Peterson. He had some interesting ideas, and he showed personal courage in the fact of the trans-mob. The kind of courage that I very much doubt I would have had, so hat off to him. Then, we struggled with anxiety, got addicted to benzodiazepines (prescribed to him by his doctor, and it would appear that it never occurred to him to type "benzodiazepines side effects" into Google before taking the stuff), and then nearly died from his addiction. So far, so understandable. Again, a bright enough, courageous enough, but flawed human being (flawed like the rest of us). He never really recovered, and since nearly dying, he's had very little of value to offer to the general public. His place was at home, with his family and a skill therapist (one not paddling benzodiazepines). To me at least, this seems fairly obvious. Ignoring him seems like the most sensible thing to do (plus I don't particularly like kicking an obviously ailing man). But yeah, I guess you're right about all the people *still* listening to him. Is it really "millions" of people? Geez.
This is a pretty good summary. If he did anything, I think he showed some extremely lost souls how to get started turning things around with parts of his books. That's not a bad thing. He is a flawed man. And I think he's admitted that publicly a number of different times. And yes, he did stand up to some pretty nasty people at the outset. And I applaud him for that.
But he has gone a little crazy, not unlike some of his own intellectual heros did near the ends of their lives (Nietzche, Jung to some extent, Dostoyevsky etc.). I also don't think the transition from true independent to the Daily Wire has helped. He's now, largely, just another cultural commentator packaged up as an "expert" in his discipline. I'm all about having freewheeling discussions. But his podcast has turned into a mostly rambling mess of him hectoring various guests with his latest and greatest theories. Whether they want to hear them or not it seems. I recently listened to him and Dawkins because I thought that might be an interesting exchange. And I respect Dawkins as an intellectual even if I don't necessarily share his positions. And you could tell Dawkins at various points was like "WTF is this guy even talking about?"
JP used to be a good conversationalist (not surprising given his theraputic background). He's lost that skill in my estimation.
I used to quite like Dr Peterson, when he first got onto the scene. The pull yourself up by the bootstrap and find your own meaning in the limitations of this world resonated quite well and dovetailed with my own life and expirences through my mid-20's unto maturity. Those uni lecture on YouTube had some good ideas and I enjoyed his way of communicating.
I liked that he did battle with the screeching hordes of retarded leftiods at the time.
Standing up to resist the idea of compelled speech and group think conformity I think was quite watershed at the time and I'll forever appreciate him for that
Alas the description of his mind melting to mush over the years rings true now. Sucks to see him takin in and used by gods chosen to lead Christians into whatever nafarious designs they be cooking up.
I guess it might be hard to wander balls deep into the culture wars and remain unscathed, mental/spiritually
If you step back from him and see him in the context of Gad Saad, Sam Harris, Douglas Murray, Dennis Prager, Konstantin Kisin, Yuval Harari, you can see he is a product on a shelf.
You can only buy what is on sale. He is part of the culture industry - a commodity in a commercial operation which produces food for thought of a similar grade to the food like products in the supermarkets.
Peterson’s niche is Approved Maverick if you like. The fact he and people like him seem interesting is an indictment of the sterility of our counterfeit culture, which is intentionally pasteurised for the health and safety of the management.
That's well put, Frank. I was at first taken in by Saad, Harris, and Murray, and a little by Prager, of those you mention. The lot of them are now quite obviously a pack of fiends, and gee whiz, what might be a common denominator amongst them?
I am reporting this comment to the ADL.
When your life has been destroyed for your inexplicable and shocking disparagement of the jewish people you will have time to consider that the political system we inhabit was expressly designed to replace the former european civilisation with a form of elite management secured by the dominance of the mass media.
All culture has been mobilised in this effort for at least 70 years. The fact that culturally prominent figures are in fact products of this system is therefore unsurprising, but here we are.
Oh, is that what they have in common! 😂
I am very much in favour of reinvigorating in some way that “former european civilization” and in whatever small way I can, as those are the giant’s shoulders upon which we could more properly stand.
Well I agree with you. The idea is not mine that the world wars swept it away - that was Wyndham Lewis about WW1, in which he served.
I am still writing a book about the counterfeit culture created after that. IN brief, liberal democracy was created as a machinery of elite rule by media following the Great War. Kennan's 1948 paper on "organised political warfare" is the blueprint for the mobilisation of all cultural production in defence and support of this ideology. You have probably heard of Jackson Pollock being a CIA op. Well Kennan included journalism, academia, novels, films, art and public figures too. Fancy that.
This is the system which has produced our "geniuses" and "public intellectuals" for 70 years.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1945-50Intel/d269
The common denominator: telling the other side of the story.
Tier 2 media pushed out big during Covid …
I followed some at first, but then they are started pushing the same weird narrative
Precisely as you comment here.
Culture creation IS the intelligence apparatus. And so is Peterson
Amen !
🎯
Although I agree with your characterization, it's difficult to deny that within his realm (psychology and neuroscience), he is quite insightful.
Is it difficult to deny? People listen to him, but has his work been applied?
By contrast, Dr Timothy Leary's "Interpersonal diagnosis of personality" was his Harvard thesis (iirc) and became a basis for psychometric testing.
He claimed that he was given a test when he was admitted into prison based on his own work, and answered it in such a way as to be categorised as low risk. As a result, he escaped easily. So he said anyway.
He was an earlier example of the psychology-rascal guru of course. So was Ronnie Laing, who led his own revolution. And Mr Jung before them.
That I don't know of any practical application of his methods doesn't mean there aren't any, nor that there won't be - of course. He is certainly influential. That's all it takes sometimes.
It’s sad that what we put “on sale” is what people are searching for. JBP tapped into that inner dimension of what people are searching for and he put it on sale.
Man you are funny
I was very much like you!
Peterson has risen because of the general spiritual degradation of the West, which has created a vacuum for men like him to appear without the old immune system of our ancestors picking him up.
Having no education in psychology except the examination of myself I appreciate your views. They make more sense than those espoused byxsaid Peterson...or Shapiro...and help me understand a little more about what might be going on in their heads! Thank you (tho I will continue to educate myself on myself without the need for agreement from any "professionals" Lol. Xx
JBP: Lectures about Hitler's obsession with cleanliness, purity and eradicating disease and how these things can be used to justify fascism and genocide.
Also JBP: Urges everyone to wear a mask and "get the damn vaccine".
The Wisdom of Jordan Peterson and the Alt WEF
https://odysee.com/@CoronaStudies:3/CS-AYCABTU-JP:d
I did not know he promoted the "vaccine". Thank you. I have subscribed now, too. Will be having a look at your work.
If he took the shot, maybe it is affecting his brain function. I see deficits in friends and family members since having them. From observation, they generally undermine health
Dr David Cartland says the same. Fear plus prions if you like. Fear is indeed the mind killer.
There is a spiritual component in that thing. A transhumanism one. That is how it was called in Rev. 13.
Yes the clip of him promoting it is in the video. It comes after the Joe Rogan except which is provided for context. I’ve made it as comical / entertaining as I can, although I try to avoid mockery for mockery’s sake (that’s just demoralisation).
At the end of the video is a monologue by Michael Tsarion from at least a decade ago (before JBP came onto the scene). I’ve always thought of Tsarion as ‘the thinking person’s Jordan Peterson’.
I have not heard of Tsarion either. Thank you again.
Napoleon said Gillray's mockery of him "did more damage than a dozen British generals", according to Alice Loxton's "Uproar! Satire, Scandal and Printmakers in Georgian London".
https://www.irishcatholic.com/the-golden-age-of-british-satire/
Excellent compilation in your link. I knew that I had seen Peterson say that about taking the shot, but have been unable to go back and find it. It’s like it got wiped off the internet. I’ll be following you now, as well.
💯 percent correct
All psychiatrists are psychopaths
I think he is leading people away from Christ. And he is definitely on drugs!
He does look strung out again. This would explain some of the rambling.
Hard to tell if it is drugs, or him just being neurotic and rude.
Or the Covid shots…
Maybe he just needs a good de-worming.
I don’t believe he ever intended to lead anyone ‘toward Christ’ to begin with. For many, however, he has given them a route toward the less defined metaphysical.
Very true
As a researcher in MKUltra, mind control and similar topics, I would just like to point out that voices in the head need not point to "demonic possession" per se. Individuals like Peterson are very likely victims of MKUltra-style mental programming; it would not surprise me in the least (indeed, I find his past mental episodes as indicative) that he is DID (dissociative; ie multipersonality). And one thing I do know about such people is they often have preprogrammed "God", "Holy Spirit" or other similar parts of their mind fully able to function as "the voice in their head". So the voices are real, but they are only tortured components of his own mind, splintered off, sequestered, and capable of receiving instruction from programmers (e.g. satanic priests, psychologists, family member handlers etc). Peterson isnt in control of his own life or thoughts; his handler(s) are, whoever they may be.
Now this does not de facto rule out "demonic possession", but the state of MKUltra-style mind control that exists nowadays should be first suspicion of bizarre behaviour, in my view, with spiritual causes second on the list for investigation. Just my humble thoughts from the expansive information I have on the subject.
Yes, a very good point well made JP. Thank you.
So surprisingly descriptive of Joe Biden. It all makes sense now.
Very on point. He would also appear to be a pathological narcissist. He must always show himself to have a unique understanding of things to show how special he is. His tortured and incomprehensible explanations of Christian concepts are one example of this. And then he goes and wears a Great Schema jacket….
Vox Day was on to this and described it all in his 2018 book on Peterson: “Jordanetics: A Journey into the Mind of Humanity’s Greatest Thinker”. That anyone takes Peterson seriously after that absolutely fatal take-down is a testament to human gullibility.
This is pretty good stuff. I have several friends that are Jordan Peterson fans, and we have argued about him quite a bit. I listened to a short talk early on when his brand was being established and I was repulsed by it. I gave it another go after he joined Daily Wire, since I think highly of my friends and considered that my initial judgement was possibly rash. I found the second go around to be even worse, and I haven't listened to or read anything he has put out since.
Going against Peterson riles people up in my circle, and it looks like you are getting much of the same pushback here in the comments section. It's pretty wild that people jump on the Peterson bandwagon because he has "so much good stuff to say", considering that the stuff that seems to really resonate with people are the messages of personal responsibility and some pushback against certain aspects of DEI. This is all pretty common stuff that can be heard from many different people without the Jungian baggage.
My dad was devastated when he found out Freddy Mercury was a poof. It’s hard to accept the obvious about your heroes. There’s not much going on with dr Pills beside the rent - if you ignore his intentional subversion of Christianity
Oh and the Zionism
Zionism is pretty powerful stuff. I grew up Evangelical and even spent a year and a half at a Bible college to become a pastor (I dropped out and ended up becoming Catholic around 12 years later). It was still a couple of years before I dropped the "Israel can do no wrong" mindset.
I am going to interview Brother Andre Marie on his explanation of Zionism, which you can see in this excellent video. Zionism is a heresy, rooted in the religious sense in the doctrine of salvation embodied in the person of the Zionist himself - and not in Christ.
I have written about Zionism for well over a year and I found Brother Andre's explanation exceeded my own understanding significantly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcmuZ5gNkJg
Such a wonderful interview! That YouTube link I will listen to again!
Br. André is a treasure.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Oh you're welcome. Its a dishonest term used intentionally, and its service extends beyond being a helpmeet to Zionism. The overall goal is a Christianity absent Christ, the "common faith" of John Dewey, a convenience food for the masses under elite management.
Peterson's family (as well as Candace Owens and Russell Brand to name but a few) have all recently and very publicly converted to Catholicism. I wonder what role we can expect religion to play as the agenda unfolds?
I don't think Russell Brand has converted, though he is now a Christian (we have all unfortunately seen his tighty whiteys in that river). Candace is a Catholic, and this led to a parting of the ways with the Daily Wire. I don't know about Peterson's family beyond the conversion to Catholicism of his wife. He is one of these "cultural Christians", like Dawkins and Matthew Arnold, and has said he thinks God a fiction and Christ a sort of archetypal myth.
I meant converted in the sense of stating it, not necessarily believing in it. As well as his wife, Peterson’s daughter has also discussed her conversion on her podcast. It's also noteworthy that they've all chosen Catholicism.
The "cultural" Christians haven't changed their public stance, almost simultaneously like the others have.
I'm curious about why these high profile and likely "controlled" people are converting so publicly. About how religion might be used in future against genuine believers. I think this is something to watch out for, especially considering how world events are being manipulated to look like end times prophecy fulfilled.
Willful worship of the counterfeit. How weird is it gonna get?
Much weirder, I think
It’s all part of the subversion and replacement of Christianity by the pagan/occult/Evangelical/New Age that’s been going on for time immemorial. There’s an excellent channel on YouTube called Magical Mystery Church that is investigating and exposing it from many angles. https://youtube.com/@magicalmysterychurch3424?si=YTM80q1JgmtMs_-N
All Roads lead to Rome, my friend
I really appreciate the channel recommendation and link. Thank you!
Thanks for the link! I'll check it out.
Where does Catholicism fit into the "replacement of Christianity" mix from your perspective?
JD Vance also converted to Catholicism. Yet, he’s married to a Hindu. How exactly does that work out?
Yes, I thought of him after I wrote this. I wonder how that works too.
Ok.. Jorden has gone a bit off the freeway in recent times and I suspect too much fame has a lot to do with it..….. but his earlier work was great, as he was part of the push back on woke and post modernism and the whole DEI mess.
This site is aways a bit perverse and hard to read and you always hope the writer will get back on his medication soon.
Hi Nigel, forgive me if this sounds like correction. I was taken in by JP years ago under a similar misapprehension.
JP's "earlier work" was astroturf publicity, produced for our consumption by the Creative Artists Agency.
He was then and is now a charlatan, and his fake "pushback" was based on simply stating the obvious. There was nothing new or insightful about it, he was only playing the part of the Rebel Professor for the cameras.
Yes, he’s pure product. Look who is selling it and where it is leading.
Ok.. Can you explain in simple one liners what is wrong with his earlier work…
He pushed back on controlled speech and woke and DEI and CRT etc…
I believe he acted as a great communicator and thought packager on the issues and a clear thinker in interviews and that was his prime use.
Unfortunately, we have experts that cannot get the message across and confuse themselves with their own brilliance.
So…We need his kind..
Now if you disagree with his message ….. well then I cannot help you 😊
Nigel - He is the fake that smothers the real. He is an inorganic production of the powers that be.
He never pushed back on anything: that was all a show to bedazzle us with words.
And what did he ever say that was brilliant? Please send me an example.
He is also a poor communicator, physically unattractive / unimpressive, he even has a bad speaking voice.
That is not the kind of person that leaps from obscurity to global fame in a couple of years because they said something blindingly obvious about Transformers.
Meanwhile, real push back, that will name the things that JP is employed to distract us from, is smothered and coopted.
When JP is asked about those subjects, you see who his master is, very plain. Surprise, suckers! It's the same guys who make the drugs that turn people into Transformers, and do all the other stuff he is fake against.
This is how power has worked for a long time.
When the peasants get too annoyed, they tend to organise and get troublesome.
The best way to deal with this problem is for the powers that be to get their agent in front of the revolution, and lead it down the garden path.
That is why you know who JP is.
So.. what is the things he is distracting us from?... what does he say that you belive is wrong? ....be specific please.
"So what is the things he is distracting us from?"
Anything and everything productive against the powers that be, starting with even knowing who they are.
"what does he say that you believe is wrong?"
That 100% irrelevant question unfortunately tells me you did not understand my comment above.
He is a puppet made of wood, up on stage reading lines for his master. We can ignore him completely.
Wow that’s as lazy an argument as your screed is unfair. It’s clear that you don’t like him because he’s has sympathy for Jews and isn’t an orthodox Christian.
His good friend Mr Netanyahu is not a nice person and I do not think it respectable to express sympathy towards him. Most of the piece is about Jungianism, which is clearly the inspiration for a book which relies on archetypes and “synchronicity” for its tortured explanation of the Bible. I don’t like him because he is leading people away from a Christ he considers to be a myth, and he is not only clearly deranged, but an obvious product of the mobilisation of cultural production in service of the ruling ideology.
Bravo. Well said. Thank you.
He’s a man on his own path. It’s just as deranged imo to posit that some cultural force (it’s hard to tell what you’re referring to that tracks with anything that exists in the real world) produced him. You’re reifying the abstract - just what you’re accusing him of doing. Maybe he’s wrong idk but I for one am not afraid of an excursions into occult matters. Having been raised catholic it strikes me as familiar to encounter fear of unorthodox thinking.
He is a guru. Like all the others, he is a bit of a rascal. He is charismatic, and is issuing retreads of the greatest hits of other gurus before him. This is what they all do.
Ok.. Can you explain in simple one liners what is wrong with his earlier work…
He pushed back on controlled speech and woke and DEI and CRT etc…
I believe he acted as a great communicator and thought packager on the issues and a clear thinker in interviews and that was his prime use.
Unfortunately, we have experts that cannot get the message across and confuse themselves with their own brilliance.
So…We need his kind..
Now if you disagree with his message ….. well then I cannot help you 😊
We do not need his kind at all, Mr Southway, as he is a charlatan and a servant of the enemies of Christ. He is what this system serves you as a "public intellectual", producing what the kids nowadays refer to as "goyslop". Have you read John Gray? His books are short and important.
I suggest you let others judge what they want ..... Why don’t you be specific about what you dislike about the concepts he talked about in his earlier work and I will see if I agree... You are judging the person and I hate that.
I have explained where his ideas come from, and who sponsors him, and who his friends are, and what they are doing too. Most of the piece is about psychoanalysis. As for judgement, if all there is to eat is gruel most will prefer it to starvation.
You mean the self help books? A reasonable starter and well marketed product. Peterson seemed a breath of fresh air in a stale atmosphere - and yes his Cathy Newman interview is an urban legend. I am not concerned with his first and second albums. This is a review of his new direction.
I agree. This is a personal attack riddled with fear. It’s kinda hard to believe that JP, so obviously sui generis is a product of anything but his own mind. Maybe he’s a bit out there but as you note the author doesn’t accord him the courtesy of dealing with any of his ideas.
I don't think he has any ideas. I think he is a midwit presented as a sage at best, and is obviously not the full shilling. He does not deserve to be taken seriously, except in his efforts to guide western civilisation towards an end which clearly does not lead to Christ. This is remarkably similar to the ends long determined by the architects of liberal-global "democracy". A religion absent God, a Christianity absent Christ. I think this is his only idea worthy of serious consideration.
Fear seems an odd charge to level against someone who criticises rich and powerful people with the obvious capability to ruin your life for doing so.
Narcissists have no message, only products they can push to generate narcissistic supply, they just say stuff for effect, and like analog clocks are correct twice a day. But this does not mean they work.
Petersen is the epitome of post modernism... LoL
You don’t fear his influence? Seems like that’s what you just said
An entire life's work nullified with three infamous words: "Give em' hell."
And with that, Peterson exposed himself as not only a hypocrite, but a bigoted and genocidal one at that.
The piper and the tune.
His interview with Musk was painful to see. He kept interrupting him and rambling at length about total nonsense. Musk appeared bemused
It’s a shame that this man is exemplary of what is served up by our counterfeit culture as an intellectual.
He sold out to Israel, Frank, as did Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, Glen Beck, Tim Pool, and any other big alt media personality. All of these guys are millionaires who are riding the coattails of Patriotism to hide behind the fact anything they say is like a politician at a nudist convention in the real ugliness is inside of them portrayed on the outside.
serious question. does Mossad have a team assigned to subvert “right-wing” media types?
Any of those people who push the Christian Zionist heresy are in for some trouble.
Yes the job of the controlled opposition alt media shekel shilling traitors is to provide cover for the fact it’s the Jews who is behind the NWO agenda. Take Alex “neverjew” Jones as a prime example. He, like others, will tell you it’s China, Russia, or similar when any critically thinking person knows that’s not the case. Jane Ruby (real name is Rubinstein) is another. She banned me from her telegram for mentioning that Israel was behind 9/11 and they are one of the 3 listed on the DoD contract for the CONvid bioweapon called a vaccine. Yes she will tell you to avoid it but she will never tell you who is behind it like the gatekeepers she and many others are in the alt media. If you can’t discuss the Jewish aspects to this agenda then I flat out don’t trust you and it seems to be a key sign of a shill.
I've seen some Gen z kids do hilarious imitations of Kermit Peterson with his wiggly fingers and copious tears. I don't think he is meant to be taken seriously at all.
Someone made an AI Peterson which would generate petersonisms but Peterson shut it down. Then he made his own Robokermit. Trufax, some people think it wrote his new book.
Or screeching about Pinochio
His philosophies give Gen Z amazing material. I'm glad they have something to laugh about. Make your bed! Lol
Was this written by a spiteful 12 year old girl?
It's almost ENTIERLY hyperbole, uses memes as evidence and resorts to name calling of a kind I've not encountered outside of twitter or lunatics carrying hand made signs to prove Jesus owes them $5.
I'm not a huge fan of Peterson and thought I might enjoy a little low-character gossip, but THIS was disgraceful drivel at best.
“Give em hell”.
As always, interesting, well-written, humour where appropriate, and laser-sharp. I admit that I was a Jordan Peterson fan from the get-go. I used to listen to his lectures on "Maps of Meaning" for about a year prior to his becoming famous. In the intervening years I have seen his erratic decline and, most especially, the past few since joining the ZioWire.
To be even more honest, it was mostly JP who got me started on what's often called a spiritual journey, one which I had never previously embarked upon, and I suppose I must thank him for that. After all, I used to be a life-long atheist and now I'm not. The high point, in a weird way, was when he had his first "debate" with that retard, Sam Harris. They couldn't even get started after a full hour of Harris refusing to concede even a single premise. Hence revealing for all Harris's stupidation (I read most of his fucking books, too. Sheesh.) I mean, if you are going to argue, say, that gravity is not a real "force" or something like that, you would at least have to concede, "what goes up must come down"? Nope, not our boy, Sam. No way.
Anyway, my further point in this comment (forgive me for its length) is also that, although I'm fairly far along in that "spiritual journey" -- and just so you know, it ain't at all like JP's -- I am very much enjoying reading and learning from you in this and other regards, Frank.
Also there are lots of great commenters to read herein, so that's a bonus, too.
Bravi tutti.
So you're saying that I don't have to make my bed each morning or tidy up my room? Who do I see to get those wasted hours back?
Have you ever looked in to MK Ultra reprogramming, Mr. Wright? Is there anything to it? Peterson, famously, had a breakdown a few years earlier and has come back as a Netanyahu-befriending cheerleader for Our Greatest Ally's current genocidal actions. I am admittedly not a follower of Peterson, but his vocal support of Israel was absent from his early pronouncements, I believe.
Yes he got melted but note that his manager Mr Cohen has been there from the beginning of his transition from lecturer to public personality. MKULTRA is documented, real and uncle Ted got the treatment if I remember correctly. I don't think he has been Sirhan Sirhaned. His mind broke under the spotlight and he has been managed into promoting "judeochristianity" ever since. He's done well out of it, wouldn't you say?
As for your room JHH - remember the immortal wisdom of Zen: "Since my house burned down I have a better view of the sky".
Remember: Judeo-Christian is acceptable (for now), but it's a big nyet to mention the more truthful Judeo-Bolshevism.
As I have foolishly said before, bolshevism and zionism are the pillars of the postwar consensus. Permanent revolution, permanent war.
Bolshevism simply means majority.
There's no such thing as Judeo-Christianity. It's an oxymoron, there is only Christianity.
I am aware of it, and wrote an explainer of the term - its provenance, its use and why it is widespread - here:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/how-conservatives-adopted-the-term-judeo-christian-to-justify-the-zionist-agenda/
Amazing and important article. Thank you!!!
Yes!!!
He signed the contract with the enemy to sell his soul and regretted from time to time during his public….
Thanks for this Frank.
"I think it is irresponsible to refuse to challenge Peterson out of pity for his obvious insanity, as millions of people have mistaken him for a sage. He is mentally and spiritually ill."
To me, it seems fairly obvious what happened to Peterson. He had some interesting ideas, and he showed personal courage in the fact of the trans-mob. The kind of courage that I very much doubt I would have had, so hat off to him. Then, we struggled with anxiety, got addicted to benzodiazepines (prescribed to him by his doctor, and it would appear that it never occurred to him to type "benzodiazepines side effects" into Google before taking the stuff), and then nearly died from his addiction. So far, so understandable. Again, a bright enough, courageous enough, but flawed human being (flawed like the rest of us). He never really recovered, and since nearly dying, he's had very little of value to offer to the general public. His place was at home, with his family and a skill therapist (one not paddling benzodiazepines). To me at least, this seems fairly obvious. Ignoring him seems like the most sensible thing to do (plus I don't particularly like kicking an obviously ailing man). But yeah, I guess you're right about all the people *still* listening to him. Is it really "millions" of people? Geez.
This is a pretty good summary. If he did anything, I think he showed some extremely lost souls how to get started turning things around with parts of his books. That's not a bad thing. He is a flawed man. And I think he's admitted that publicly a number of different times. And yes, he did stand up to some pretty nasty people at the outset. And I applaud him for that.
But he has gone a little crazy, not unlike some of his own intellectual heros did near the ends of their lives (Nietzche, Jung to some extent, Dostoyevsky etc.). I also don't think the transition from true independent to the Daily Wire has helped. He's now, largely, just another cultural commentator packaged up as an "expert" in his discipline. I'm all about having freewheeling discussions. But his podcast has turned into a mostly rambling mess of him hectoring various guests with his latest and greatest theories. Whether they want to hear them or not it seems. I recently listened to him and Dawkins because I thought that might be an interesting exchange. And I respect Dawkins as an intellectual even if I don't necessarily share his positions. And you could tell Dawkins at various points was like "WTF is this guy even talking about?"
JP used to be a good conversationalist (not surprising given his theraputic background). He's lost that skill in my estimation.